I am trying to say is that when you look at all of the data you find some interesting points. Do I personally feel that they should be sued for all of these? I don't. I know that some people will disagree with me and feel that there is talk about 150000 Austrian dollars per person should be paid out by the organization. I don't think that is right for all of those cases because many of them had nothing to do with Watchtower other than the fact that the perpetrator happened to be a JW. The victim was picked exclusively because they were part of the congregation and nothing could have been done to prevent that crime. Are there instances where an additional victim didn't have to be abused if Watchtower did the morally right thing, that is a different question. But even beyond Australia, people will use those number to extrapolate that there are x number of abusers in each congregation around the world, but if you are going to do that you have to look at the numbers behind that total number. My point is that it is not an easy thing to say that Watchtower should have done X or Y in order to prevent all child abuse.
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ARC Analysis Summary of Case Files
by Richard Oliver ini have been doing research on the arc as some people on here have suggested.
i find it interesting on the case file analysis some of the findings.
it looks like queensland and new south wales had the biggest problems with this.
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NY Daily News: Gov. Cuomo unveils plan for Child Victims Act that would do away with statute of limitation
by AndersonsInfo inhttp://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/cuomo-unveils-plan-child-victims-act-article-1.2943920.
cuomo unveils plan for child victims act that would do away with statute of limitation .
cuomo wants to get rid of statute of limitation for child victims.
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It will be interesting to see if the legislature actually takes this up. It is great that the Governor wants to do it, but it is another thing to get enough legislative members to take it up and actually pass the legislation.
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2.16.2017 NJ Star-Ledger Ad: "Were you sexually abused by the Jehovahs Witnesses?"
by breakfast of champions inmy wife found this 1/4 page ad on page 2 of yesterday's nj star-ledger, probably the biggest newspaper in nj.
pretty telling.. .
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Certainly, these firms think that they can win. No lawyer will take a contingency case on if they don't think that they will win. But it is going to a long hard battle. People have to be ready for that. Even the Lopez case started in 2012 that is 5 years now and it is going it hasn't even gone to trial yet.
What will be sad though is if they use some of their weaker cases and use that to build up their stronger ones. By putting their clients through the emotional toll and getting their hopes up, even though they don't have a lot of faith that a win could occur. Some firms do that especially if they think that a bigger payday is waiting for them in future, stronger cases. Not saying that they will do it, but if they do it will be very sad for those clients.
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2.16.2017 NJ Star-Ledger Ad: "Were you sexually abused by the Jehovahs Witnesses?"
by breakfast of champions inmy wife found this 1/4 page ad on page 2 of yesterday's nj star-ledger, probably the biggest newspaper in nj.
pretty telling.. .
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People on here have stated that it is going to be the lawsuit equivalent of paint by numbers, where it is going to be so easy that anyone can do it. Others have indicated that it is just going to be a slam dunk because these firms are now on it. People are getting their hopes up that this is the silver bullet to win everything. My only contention is that this is going to be extremely hard even if they win, it is not a slam dunk for future cases. People have to realize that.
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NY Daily News: Gov. Cuomo unveils plan for Child Victims Act that would do away with statute of limitation
by AndersonsInfo inhttp://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/cuomo-unveils-plan-child-victims-act-article-1.2943920.
cuomo unveils plan for child victims act that would do away with statute of limitation .
cuomo wants to get rid of statute of limitation for child victims.
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Richard Oliver
It is important to realize that according to this article, this only applies to new cases of sexual abuse. For occurrences that have already happened, the statute would still apply with a 1 year grace period.
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2.16.2017 NJ Star-Ledger Ad: "Were you sexually abused by the Jehovahs Witnesses?"
by breakfast of champions inmy wife found this 1/4 page ad on page 2 of yesterday's nj star-ledger, probably the biggest newspaper in nj.
pretty telling.. .
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Richard Oliver
I never said that they should just give up. My statement was that it is not as easy as so many people here make it sound like. They expect because of these law firms that it is a slam dunk and that Watchtower is going to roll over and die because they are now the litigators on the case. It is going to be a uphill battle for these lawyers. They may win, but it won't be easy.
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ARC Analysis Summary of Case Files
by Richard Oliver ini have been doing research on the arc as some people on here have suggested.
i find it interesting on the case file analysis some of the findings.
it looks like queensland and new south wales had the biggest problems with this.
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Just fine:
I appreciate the fact that you feel it is the policy to keep it secret. I think it is very easy how people can see it that way. I personally don't think that it is a policy to keep these things secret but to respect privacy and privilege, but you certainly don't. You are certainly entitled to your opinion but so am I. As time goes on we will see how lawyers, judges and legislatures see it to be, and the thing is in a lot of ways, when it goes to the technicalities of the law their opinions are the only ones that matter. But certainly other people's opinion matters very much when it comes to the press and the general public.
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ARC Analysis Summary of Case Files
by Richard Oliver ini have been doing research on the arc as some people on here have suggested.
i find it interesting on the case file analysis some of the findings.
it looks like queensland and new south wales had the biggest problems with this.
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Cha Ching.
I think you hit the actual important thing on the head. There is a difference between law and what is morally good. There is a difference between the court of law and court of public opinion. The court of law is all about technicalities and that is what matters. What is moral and what the courts can deal with are two different things. The court of public opinion is something where emotion, opinions and other aspects of truth can come out.
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ARC Analysis Summary of Case Files
by Richard Oliver ini have been doing research on the arc as some people on here have suggested.
i find it interesting on the case file analysis some of the findings.
it looks like queensland and new south wales had the biggest problems with this.
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Just Fine:
Thank you for acknowledging that, and I am sorry if I came off as not acknowledging your personal opinions before. You are exactly correct, we can interpret facts differently and like you said there is no reason to avoid the facts. You see it one way and I see it differently. That is not always the case on here, you have to admit that though, there are people on here who don't care what facts are being presented, they just want to steamroll over the facts and not even acknowledge them and discuss them. They just feel that they are right no matter what is presented and that other people who has a differing opinion is wrong immediately because they disagree with them.
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ARC Analysis Summary of Case Files
by Richard Oliver ini have been doing research on the arc as some people on here have suggested.
i find it interesting on the case file analysis some of the findings.
it looks like queensland and new south wales had the biggest problems with this.
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No I don't expect everyone to agree with me. Though what I do expect people to do is accept what is considered facts when facts are presented to them. Again, you can interpret those facts however you want to. But just dismissing the facts because they don't agree with your opinion is wrong. You have to at least acknowledge those facts, many people here don't want to acknowledge the facts because it doesn't agree with their opinion. I have to give you credit just fine, you at least will look at facts that you may not agree with, you don't dismiss them right off the bat as being false or a lie, you may not agree with the way that it was gathered or how other people interpret them, but you at least acknowledge those facts as being real.